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Heat!

Oh, finally, finally we have real heat! Up to this point we’ve been relying on a collection of electric heaters meant to supplement rather than stand in and even running four of them and consuming 6,000 watts of electricity in the process, it’s been cold. The insulation helped quite a bit, but ultimately we just needed the radiators working.

Mechanical Panel

Mechanical Panel

Lester finished up the other jobs he’d been working on and started working more seriously on our project. Over the course of a couple weeks he got the mechanical panel built out and the boiler hooked up. We figured out where we were temporarily putting the radiators on the second floor (until we remodel the floor and install in-floor radiant) and Mike helped me mount plywood panels to the wall so we could mount them. We also got the old steam radiators out onto the back porch.

Plywood panels

Plywood panels

I had originally wanted to run the PEX tubing that supplies the radiators through the attic, so Lester was going to put a manifold on the second floor. I decided the manifold could go behind the dishwasher since it’s on the wet wall and that spot will be in the master bath once we remodel. Unfortunately, when I pulled out the dishwasher and cut open the wall I found that spot occupied by five different supply and drain pipes.

All of the pipes

All of the pipes

Instead Lester put the manifold on the first floor and ran the PEX through the first floor. That may complicate things later, such as the plumbing that needs to go right where the manifold is and the ceiling where the tubing is running, but I guess we’ll figure that out when we get there. Top priority was getting heat.

Radiator being warm

Radiator being warm

With the radiators mounted and everything connected, Lester fired up the system and soon it started to get warm. We’ll still use one or two electric heaters if it gets too cold outside since the radiators are sized for our future insulation rather than the current lack thereof, but the difference in warmth and comfort is profound.

We had one hiccup though. After we got back from a long weekend with my family we discovered that the pipes had frozen. I had put an electric heater on the first floor but the circuit tripped so it wasn’t running. Fortunately there was no damage and we got everything thawed back out. This weekend I’m planning to get some pipe heating cable since its much cheaper to run than a 1,500 watt oil-filled electric heater.

Momentum

We put in the last two bay windows last week, meaning all of the first floor windows are in, aside from the sliding door that we have to hold off on. I need a few more strap anchors and some more flashing tape to call the last window done, and we still have to go around with the Great Stuff and backer rod to complete the air sealing. In addition, Lester, our radiant heating guy, finished the rough-in work ahead of our new boiler installation. It’s been a lot of work but it’s also a very tangible feeling of progress that we’re eager to keep up.

Derek helping

Derek checks for square

Our next major goal is to get the new subfloor installed. We need that done in order to start a whole host of first floor projects like framing interior walls, building the new stairs,  insulating the exterior walls, and getting the radiant floor heating installed. With the weather getting colder day by day, it’s those last two in particular that have our interest piqued.

With so much riding on the subfloor, and the time required to level the wonky floor joists, we’ve decided to hire it out. I’m working on getting quotes this week and hopefully we’ll get some good numbers and people. We’ll need to set to work clearing out the first floor. It’s accumulated an impressive pile of scrap wood from the removing the old windows, plus the giant steel pallet the door shipped on, the sliding glass door we can’t install yet, and all of our tools.

The other thing standing in the way of new subfloor is the radiators, steam pipes, and chimney from the old boiler. The old boiler is disconnected, and so far we’ve been making do with electric heaters. We’ve been reluctant to remove it because it’s still a viable way to heat the house if the new boiler takes longer to show up than the freezing weather.

In short, we’ll get started clearing things out and see how things play out. Hopefully we’ll get our new boiler in quickly and the chimney and pipes will come down before they’re in the way of the subfloor contractor. Worst case, we’ll have to hook the old boiler back up and the contractor will have to wait or work around some things. Either way, things are moving and we’re getting excited.

Heating Things Up

One of the major projects in our remodel is replacing the heating system, and I’ve been thinking more about it recently because our house is chilly. I sometimes feel like living in our old house is actually a trip back in time, where I need to wear a house robe and slippers over layers of clothes just to fend off the cold. Our efforts to weather seal are hindered by a complete absence of insulation in the walls or ceiling.

First floor demoed

Currently we have an inefficient old boiler with steam radiators. There are three radiators on each floor with pipes running through the basement and up through the first floor to reach the second, plus a brick chimney in the center of the house that both the boiler and the water heater share.

The challenge is that we’re remodeling in phases (first floor then second) but we have one heating system. We’re planning to replace it with a new high efficiency boiler (which will direct vent rather than need a chimney) and radiant floor heating, in our case a system of panels that install on top of the subfloor and have pex tubing run through them. In order to finish the first floor, we need to remove the chimney, pipes, and radiators from it. That means that the old heating system will no longer work but the new system would only be installed on the first floor, leaving us without heat on the second floor.

Quik Trak

Because of this I had originally been looking at a radiant heating system that installed under the floor, so we could heat the second floor from below before we remodeled it. There are a few problems with this approach: it’s not as efficient as the above subfloor system because it has to radiate through an extra inch of (non-conductive) wood, we’re planning to replace the plank subfloor with OSB and installing the pex tubing to it would prevent us from doing that, and finally the new system will be sized for the highly-insulated walls we’ll eventually have and most likely will not be powerful enough to heat the second floor until the insulation is installed.

So, how can we heat the second floor if we can’t use the radiators and don’t yet have radiant floors? One option is the forced air system we’re planning to install for air conditioning and ventilation. We could get a furnace rather than a simple air handler and install the ductwork sooner rather than later. Because the ducts will go through the attic and basement, they won’t require significant intrusion into the second floor, just a vertical trunk that would go through our bedroom. It would also give us a supplemental way to heat in the event we ever had a problem with the radiant system. However, we still have the problem that this system, even if we wanted to install it, would most likely be sized for the eventual high levels of insulation, not our current drafty state of affairs and might not be up to the task. It’s also a large up-front expense that we were planning to put off for some time.

That brings us to the other option: space heaters. I started looking at electric baseboard and oil-filled heaters. While not a very cost effective way to heat a home,  neither are our steam radiators. It’s entirely possible that running electric heaters would cost less than running the boiler, considering Chicago’s electric rate just dropped to 5.424¢/kilowatt hour and the fact we’re only heating one floor. Next, I briefly explored the option of an electric heat pump, which is much more efficient and can cool as well as heat, but it also costs ten times as much to buy and for a temporary solution it just doesn’t make sense.

In addition to the operating costs, if we got electric heaters we’d also need to run new wiring to power them, plus we would need at least three of them given they’re limited to 1,500 watts each. Once I started thinking about running three new circuits, it occurred to me that for about the same amount of effort I could run one gas line and put in a vent-free natural gas heater. A gas heater would deliver several times the heat of an electric baseboard and cost much less to operate. Best of all, while not as cheap as baseboards, they’re fairly inexpensive.

GWD308

As with everything, there is a trade off. Vent-free heaters cause increased moisture in the house and can adversely affect indoor air quality. Unfortunately, the direct vent alternatives that put out the same amount of heat cost several times as much and are less efficient. Despite the concerns, vent free is safe and with the house being as drafty as it is I’m not too concerned. They have built in oxygen depletion sensors and we have a carbon monoxide detector as well.

My plan is to get one, install it, and see if it keeps the house warm and if it’s cheaper to operate. If so, we can get rid of the boiler and radiators right away. If not, we can keep using the radiators for now and only switch to the heater for the second floor when we have to remove the chimney.