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Stair Planning

We’ve got two parallel tracks for the next little while: framing the first floor and the mechanical room plumbing. For now I’m working on the framing. My friend Matt B. will be down tomorrow and Friday to help work on the house, so we’ll be tackling the opening for the stairs in the first floor. In order to be ready I had to go back over the stair calculations, re-measure everything and come up with the final plan and position of the stairs. The stairs are extremely complicated because everything has ripple effects and there are some tight constraints.

Stair Planning

Stair planning

For example, the first floor stairs will go straight up to a landing, turn right 90° and go up the remainder. The bottom of that landing needs to be more than 80″ above the floor so that we can put the stairs down to the basement underneath it. The stairs from the second floor to the attic are above the first floor stairs. Those stairs have a landing directly above the first floor stair landing. We need at least 80″ from the top of the first floor landing to the bottom of the second floor landing plus another 80″ from the top of that landing up to the roofline, and there needs to be a consistent rise and run to the stairs to allow them to get to the correct height at the correct place.

To further complicate things, the brick foundation is thicker than the frame walls, so the finished first floor wall will be 9″ from the finished basement wall. In order to have the minimum 36″ stair width going down to the basement, the stairs above them must be wider, which means the landing must be wider and deeper, and the stairs from the landing to the second floor have that much less space to go up the remaining distance because they can’t go through the LVL beam we just put in. Despite all of that, we did have some play in where the stairs could go front-to-back. Moving them back makes the front bedroom on the second floor bigger, but the coat closet, pantry, and walk-in closet in the master suite smaller. We eventually figured it out.

First floor stair opening

First floor stair opening

Despite the stick drawing of the stairs, I did account for the head room under the stairs after stringers and drywall. Everything checks out, but it’s very close to the 6′ 8″ minimum height. I’d really like to have more clearance, not just for tall people but for moving furniture, but unfortunately there’s no good way to fit more in without building a dormer in the attic above the stairwell, something we really don’t want to do.

The stairs from the first floor to the second will be 42″ wide with 11″ treads (including a 1″ bullnose). From the floor to the landing they’ll rise 7 ⅝” per step, and from the landing to the second floor they’ll rise 8″. The stairs to the attic and basement will have an 8″ rise and a 10″ tread. We’ll build the stairs from framing lumber (rimboard for the stringers, OSB for the risers and treads), and eventually cover them with finishing treads and risers that match our floors.

Stairs Demolition

Saturday we had our second “Demo Party”, where we invite friends and family to come demolish our house in exchange for food and drink, and it was a big success. We took down all of the plaster and lath in the foyer, including the stairwell, as well as the office on the second floor. Then we took out the remaining partition wall on the first floor and removed the stairs themselves.

Aaron and David get walled up

Aaron and David get walled up

Sarah and I had gotten the office empty Friday night. My sister Jessica came up and watched Derek while we continued the furniture rearranging and packing away of our stuff that we’d started Wednesday. Saturday morning two of her nephews, Aaron and David, armed with sledgehammers and masks volunteered to be the “trapped princesses” and went into the office while I built a wall where the door was. Once they were completely walled up, rather than wait to be rescued they simply hammered their way through the wall adjacent to the stairwell.

Breaking free

Breaking free

Sarah K, Dani, Matt B, and Eriq hauled the massive pile of lath was out to the dumpster along with the scrap wood pile. Unfortunately even before we got all of the lath into the dumpster we realized we had a problem: the dumpster wasn’t big enough. I had gotten a smaller dumpster than last time, foolishly believing that since we were demoing less we wouldn’t need as much room. I forgot to consider that the lath and scrap wood pile were leftovers from the last demo. Now I have to get another dumpster, which costs quite a bit more than if I had just gotten the big one in the first place. Oh well, I’ll know for next time.

Demo in progress

Demo in progress

The house didn’t originally have electricity, just gas lighting, and I spent a few minutes on Saturday taking out the piping that was still in the walls. It was retrofitted with BX armored cable with cloth-wrapped wiring, which  was run through the load bearing wall by threading it under door thresholds in the second floor and then down between studs in the wall. I disconnected all of this wiring a while back, but a lot of it was stuck, hanging from the ceiling.

Removing BX wiring
Removing BX wiring

Eriq, Will, and I took on the task of removing it. This involved literally climbing up the wall and alternately pushing and pulling the metal-armored cable through one segment at a time. I can’t imagine how this was put in while the walls were still plastered considering how hard it was to remove. We did manage to get all of it out and the only thing left to be removed from the bearing wall is a gas pipe that goes up to the attic for distributing the gas lighting.

Dean clearing lath

Dean clearing lath

Dean was able to get all of the ceiling in the office and stairwell down from above by getting into the attic. This also meant he didn’t get rained on with plaster dust and rat feces. I shoveled the plaster from the floor of the office down the stairs while Siobhan, Sarah K, Dani, and Matt B filled buckets and carried it to the dumpster. I filled and carried out buckets while Dean took the exciting job of getting on the ladder over the stairwell –sixteen feet up– to remove all of the plaster and lath from the walls.

Dani and Matt B on plaster removal

Dani and Matt B on plaster removal

The old lath pile was replaced by a new pile as the foyer demo was wrapped up and we got to work taking out the stairs. This took alternately a reciprocating saw and a sledgehammer to pry each tread loose, working our way down. When it was all said and done, the difference was incredible.

Sarah and her mom baked up lasagnas so we could wash up, eat, drink, and finally relax. This week the new dumpster will be swapped in and I can get the rest of the piles cleared out of the house, along with the plywood subfloor in the kitchen and a couple layers of flooring in the foyer.

A big thanks go out to everyone who gave up their Saturday to help us! Aaron, David, Eriq, Matt B, Sarah K, Dani, Dean, Siobhan, Will, Mike, and Lee, we couldn’t have done it without you!

Next Steps

Back in August we had  a demo party and gutted most of the first floor, but we left the front foyer and staircase because we knew it would be a while before we were ready to start framing, plus we didn’t have our building permit yet so we wanted to leave the front entrance intact. Now, with the steel beam in the basement and the permit taped up in the window, we’re ready to get to work.

That means it’s time to gut the foyer and stairs, so we’re having another demo party this weekend to do just that. With a dumpster and people coming to help, we decided to demo the office on the second floor while we’re at it. The reason for this is when we rebuild the stairs that go from the first to the second floor, we’ll be putting them about five feet further back in order to make the front bedroom bigger. Moving the stairs back means the top of the stairs will be in what is now our office, or the middle bedroom on the second floor.

Last night we started cleaning up our mess in the office and finding places to put the furniture. Some things are going into storage in the basement, but we still need to move our only phone jack so we still have Internet and figure out where to put one of the desks.

Once the demo is done we’ll be able to close up the remaining window on the North wall and replace the load-bearing wall that runs from front to back with an LVL beam and columns. LVL is laminated veneer lumber, an engineered beam that is stronger and stiffer than wood. That will allow us to have the open plan we want while still properly supporting the second floor.

The open question is whether or not we should build temporary stairs or make do with the stairs on the back porch. It’s going to take some time to get the beam in place, re-frame the joists both in the floor and the ceiling, install new subfloor, and build a proper set of stairs. We might be able to build a temporary set of stairs in the mean time just by cutting some stringers and reusing the existing treads. The only trick will be the winders that we have now. I may just build a landing and make the straight run a bit longer, but I’m not sure yet if that will fit.